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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1992
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Posted - 2014.01.23 20:28:00 -
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Bad thread is well, bad.
if you want to put something like this together, I would highly recommend writing it up offline, proofing and editing it. As it stands it mostly looks like you vomited words in a post. it is all over the place and poorly organized.
If you are going to be making assertions make sure they are at least accurate.
You may like the Gila but it is no way "better" than an ishtar. they are both primarily drone boats, but the ishtar simply does drones better. it can out DPS and apply the drone damage better.
And for gods sake, if you are going to talk about a Pirate faction all over the place, spell their name correctly at least.
Quote:It's more of the end aspect for mission runners and what pilots will need so they can think about what to choose when they are first starting.
I hope no noobs read this and take it as good advice. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1992
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Posted - 2014.01.23 21:24:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:The only thing a ishtar does with drones better is range but that will be of no use in the L3's and under.
And tracking. a 7.5% bonus to tracking per level is a significant boost to "applied" DPS. Especially in L3's and under, where you are typicially fighting larger numbers of smaller ships
Ireland VonVicious wrote:I find the gila does far better at adding dps due to having the lows free.
Sure, which you have to choose between drone damage amps or BCUs? And without BCU's the 3 launcher slots don't add a huge amount of DPS (there is no damage bonus to missiles on the Gila).
Ireland VonVicious wrote: The DPS/Tank ratio is far better in the Gila.
Well if we are talking LVL3's and below (which you mention above), you can easily shield tank the ishtar to handle those scenarios and you get one more low slot for a damage upgrade.
Ireland VonVicious wrote:The range on the missiles v.s. blasters makes a huge difference too. I'd say Gila is a better ship on the over all.
Hmm.
On an ishtar I can get 162 DPS with 250mm Railguns and antimatter. 18km+15km
On a Gila I get 94DPS with Heavy assault launchers and scourge missiles with a max range of 30km.
Not as far off as you would like to believe...
The bottom line is you may have a preference for the Gila. That's fine. But to patently claim is is superior to an Ishtar is just false. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
Situation: Normal
1992
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Posted - 2014.01.23 22:46:00 -
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Ireland VonVicious wrote:For my purposes the Gila is superior.
Your opinion, which you are entitled to have. But this is far different from your assertion that the Gila is the better ship (trying to claim it is a fact).
Ireland VonVicious wrote:The DPS and tracking can be adjusted for with the extra rig/mid.
A drone omni and a sentry rig can go a long way although a sentry rig is over kill.
Which is true for both ships, although pound for pound the ishtar will always win.
Ireland VonVicious wrote:The DPS also has a factor of not being mission specific for the ishtar.
(( A small factor but a factor that makes up for a small % of the DPS gap ))
On the guns/missiles maybe. But it does little more than maybe even it out.
Ireland VonVicious wrote: (( Drone onmi > gun tracking when drones are the bulk of your dps. ))
Do you even read? who said anything about gun tracking? The Ishtar gets a 7.5% per level bonus to DRONE tracking and optimal. So assuming HAC 4 (I'd guess most people train it to four but not nearly as many to 5) you are getting basicaly a free faction omni built in (better than an omni soon with the upcoming module changes).
Ireland VonVicious wrote:The Gila still wins out on ability to use it to help other mission runners (( L4's where you don't want to bring in your BS )) and has less un-packaged M3. Mission fit Gila also works better for jumping in a high sec combat site to help compared to mission fit ishtar as the extra tank goes a lot further. Using same ship for multiple purposes is always a plus.
Really? I use a solo Ishtar in LVL 4's all the time. So helping other mission runners it does even better. And that extra range DOES end up helping in LVL 4's.
Again, you like the Gila. it works for you. No Problem with that. Your "facts" however fall short and being able to make the factual statement that it is a superior ship. |
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